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		<title>Comment on Why The Irish Drink:  Is Ireland A Country of Alcoholics Or An Alcoholic Country by Glenn Kaufmann</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn Kaufmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 08:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John,

Great comment.  Thanks for reading. And thanks for putting together such a thoughtful response.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Great comment.  Thanks for reading. And thanks for putting together such a thoughtful response.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why The Irish Drink:  Is Ireland A Country of Alcoholics Or An Alcoholic Country by John Kernan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Kernan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 17:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another interesting read Glenn, thanks for that. As an Irish man who has lived abroad for the best part of the last 25 years, and who has spent most of that time working in &quot;Irish&quot; pubs I have no definitive idea why we drink the way we do. I think that we as a nation (with the help of some well funded marketing campaigns) have romanticised the Irish pub experience. Many foreigners visit Irish pubs because Irish people have told them that they&#039;re great &quot;craic&quot;; the singing, the story telling, the friendly characters and their cutting wit; the virtual embodiment of all things that make it great to be Irish. The truth is that unless you are with a group of friends, many Irish pubs are dour, dark, unpleasant places staffed by unfriendly, uncaring people. And before your detractors become my detractors, let me say that I do enjoy going to the pub. I like to drink good beer, I like to read the paper in the pub. The bar staff greet me by name as do some of the other customers and that feels good but this is a rare occurrence in a city, never mind a country renowned for its pubs. As for drinking at home, that&#039;s where I drink tea, cheap drink alone has no appeal for me. 

Back to your original question of why do we drink so much? Perhaps we do it out of habit. Going to the pub is as much a rite of passage for us as perhaps, going fishing or hunting is for some North Americans. Getting drunk at the weekend is often a precursor to spending all of Monday talking about how drunk we were at the weekend. At times we seem to revel in our drunken antics, our drunken reputations, but I don&#039;t know why we do.

The monasteries involvement in brewing beer came about in Ireland as it did in most of Europe as a way of dealing with water that was not always the cleanest or purest, and of using up excess barley or wheat. I have never heard it suggested that the church ever used it as a tool to keep the populace in line. 

On the other hand, I had a history teacher many years ago who told us that the reason there were  so many pubs in Ireland was because the ruling British government turned a blind eye to breaches of the licensing laws, so that we would have more opportunities to meet drink and talk about our plans for revolution, and they would have as many opportunities to listen to our plotting and thwart our plans. In light of their involvement with the opium trade in China in the 19th century it&#039;s not so far fetched.

Anyway, thanks again for a thought provoking read and perhaps one of your other readers will be able to answer your questions as I for one still do not understand why we drink the way we do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting read Glenn, thanks for that. As an Irish man who has lived abroad for the best part of the last 25 years, and who has spent most of that time working in &#8220;Irish&#8221; pubs I have no definitive idea why we drink the way we do. I think that we as a nation (with the help of some well funded marketing campaigns) have romanticised the Irish pub experience. Many foreigners visit Irish pubs because Irish people have told them that they&#8217;re great &#8220;craic&#8221;; the singing, the story telling, the friendly characters and their cutting wit; the virtual embodiment of all things that make it great to be Irish. The truth is that unless you are with a group of friends, many Irish pubs are dour, dark, unpleasant places staffed by unfriendly, uncaring people. And before your detractors become my detractors, let me say that I do enjoy going to the pub. I like to drink good beer, I like to read the paper in the pub. The bar staff greet me by name as do some of the other customers and that feels good but this is a rare occurrence in a city, never mind a country renowned for its pubs. As for drinking at home, that&#8217;s where I drink tea, cheap drink alone has no appeal for me. </p>
<p>Back to your original question of why do we drink so much? Perhaps we do it out of habit. Going to the pub is as much a rite of passage for us as perhaps, going fishing or hunting is for some North Americans. Getting drunk at the weekend is often a precursor to spending all of Monday talking about how drunk we were at the weekend. At times we seem to revel in our drunken antics, our drunken reputations, but I don&#8217;t know why we do.</p>
<p>The monasteries involvement in brewing beer came about in Ireland as it did in most of Europe as a way of dealing with water that was not always the cleanest or purest, and of using up excess barley or wheat. I have never heard it suggested that the church ever used it as a tool to keep the populace in line. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I had a history teacher many years ago who told us that the reason there were  so many pubs in Ireland was because the ruling British government turned a blind eye to breaches of the licensing laws, so that we would have more opportunities to meet drink and talk about our plans for revolution, and they would have as many opportunities to listen to our plotting and thwart our plans. In light of their involvement with the opium trade in China in the 19th century it&#8217;s not so far fetched.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks again for a thought provoking read and perhaps one of your other readers will be able to answer your questions as I for one still do not understand why we drink the way we do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why The Irish Drink:  Is Ireland A Country of Alcoholics Or An Alcoholic Country by Glenn Kaufmann</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn Kaufmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 07:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Marisol,

Thanks so much for not just reading the blog, but for doing research on its behalf.  This is great.  You&#039;ve really helped to answer my questions.

-Glenn]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marisol,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for not just reading the blog, but for doing research on its behalf.  This is great.  You&#8217;ve really helped to answer my questions.</p>
<p>-Glenn</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why The Irish Drink:  Is Ireland A Country of Alcoholics Or An Alcoholic Country by MRamos (@NativeLibrarian)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 21:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How weird I posted earlier today about your post Glenn. 

I thought it was very interesting and provocative, and being the librarian that I am, I found some other books on the subject that you can add to your list of things to read. This issue about Alcoholism and Ireland goes back to the 18th century to the present and it was interesting to find these books/letters discussing that issue, e.g. 

1) An earnest address to the people of Ireland : against the drinking of spirituous liquors
by William Henry (1753) and  

2) A letter to the Right Hon. Henry Grattan, on the deplorable consequences resulting to Ireland from the very low price of spirituous liquors : pointing out the causes of the aggravated encrease of those evils, and entreating his attention to the necessity and means of remedying them.by Friend to Ireland.; Henry Grattan (1811)

A more recent book that I thought was interesting too, is from 2010, Benign anarchy : Alcoholics Anonymous in Ireland by Shane Butler.

Happy reading and thanks for the great post!
Marisol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How weird I posted earlier today about your post Glenn. </p>
<p>I thought it was very interesting and provocative, and being the librarian that I am, I found some other books on the subject that you can add to your list of things to read. This issue about Alcoholism and Ireland goes back to the 18th century to the present and it was interesting to find these books/letters discussing that issue, e.g. </p>
<p>1) An earnest address to the people of Ireland : against the drinking of spirituous liquors<br />
by William Henry (1753) and  </p>
<p>2) A letter to the Right Hon. Henry Grattan, on the deplorable consequences resulting to Ireland from the very low price of spirituous liquors : pointing out the causes of the aggravated encrease of those evils, and entreating his attention to the necessity and means of remedying them.by Friend to Ireland.; Henry Grattan (1811)</p>
<p>A more recent book that I thought was interesting too, is from 2010, Benign anarchy : Alcoholics Anonymous in Ireland by Shane Butler.</p>
<p>Happy reading and thanks for the great post!<br />
Marisol</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why The Irish Drink:  Is Ireland A Country of Alcoholics Or An Alcoholic Country by MRamos (@NativeLibrarian)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 17:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Glenn. Interesting piece as always. Your questions call my attention, so since I am a librarian, I went a start looking for books on the subject. I am not sure if I find the right one but you may want to read this book: Benign Anarchy: Alcoholics Anonymous in Ireland by Shane Butler.

Summary: Author Shane Butler tells the story of how Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) was established in Ireland - the first European country to start an AA group - in 1946, and how it gradually came to establish itself as a mainstream Irish institution, the need for which has become clearer as alcohol consumption levels increase. AA is described as a hybrid institution, straddling healthcare and religion, and the book looks in detail at how early Irish members negotiated working relationships with the mental health system and the dominant Catholic Church. The book also focuses on AA&#039;s commitment to the avoidance of conventional, organizational management systems, involving clearly-identified leaders and top-down instructions for front-line members. The survival of AA in Ireland, as elsewhere, is attributed primarily to the fact that it has remained firmly outside of alcohol politics, seeing itself as a &#039;fellowship&#039; which exists only to help individuals who seek its help in relation to their own powerlessness over alcohol. It is recognized, paradoxically, that AA in Ireland could not have negotiated such a smooth entry to this country without the energies and skills of its early leaders, and this book documents the activities of these leaders who - with the assistance of AA in the United States - strategically managed the fellowship&#039;s establishment in a potentially hostile environment.

Although I did find that call to stop drinking so much in Ireland goes back to the 18th century as these interesting letters pointed out:

An earnest address to the people of Ireland : against the drinking of spirituous liquors
by William Henry. Published in 1753

A letter to the Right Hon. Henry Grattan, on the deplorable consequences resulting to Ireland from the very low price of spirituous liquors : pointing out the causes of the aggravated encrease of those evils, and entreating his attention to the necessity and means of remedying them. Published in 1811.

Happy reading!
Marisol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Glenn. Interesting piece as always. Your questions call my attention, so since I am a librarian, I went a start looking for books on the subject. I am not sure if I find the right one but you may want to read this book: Benign Anarchy: Alcoholics Anonymous in Ireland by Shane Butler.</p>
<p>Summary: Author Shane Butler tells the story of how Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) was established in Ireland &#8211; the first European country to start an AA group &#8211; in 1946, and how it gradually came to establish itself as a mainstream Irish institution, the need for which has become clearer as alcohol consumption levels increase. AA is described as a hybrid institution, straddling healthcare and religion, and the book looks in detail at how early Irish members negotiated working relationships with the mental health system and the dominant Catholic Church. The book also focuses on AA&#8217;s commitment to the avoidance of conventional, organizational management systems, involving clearly-identified leaders and top-down instructions for front-line members. The survival of AA in Ireland, as elsewhere, is attributed primarily to the fact that it has remained firmly outside of alcohol politics, seeing itself as a &#8216;fellowship&#8217; which exists only to help individuals who seek its help in relation to their own powerlessness over alcohol. It is recognized, paradoxically, that AA in Ireland could not have negotiated such a smooth entry to this country without the energies and skills of its early leaders, and this book documents the activities of these leaders who &#8211; with the assistance of AA in the United States &#8211; strategically managed the fellowship&#8217;s establishment in a potentially hostile environment.</p>
<p>Although I did find that call to stop drinking so much in Ireland goes back to the 18th century as these interesting letters pointed out:</p>
<p>An earnest address to the people of Ireland : against the drinking of spirituous liquors<br />
by William Henry. Published in 1753</p>
<p>A letter to the Right Hon. Henry Grattan, on the deplorable consequences resulting to Ireland from the very low price of spirituous liquors : pointing out the causes of the aggravated encrease of those evils, and entreating his attention to the necessity and means of remedying them. Published in 1811.</p>
<p>Happy reading!<br />
Marisol</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ireland Works Well Enough &#8211; The Irish Tendency To Settle For Less Than the Best by Why The Irish Drink Is Ireland A Country of Alcoholics Or An Alcoholic Country &#124; An American in Dublin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 16:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the drinking entitlement, Ireland’s feast or famine economic view, and things work “well enough” attitude are all fairly common symptoms of an alcoholic.  The fact that the country has precious little in [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Five Things I Hate About Dublin Ireland by Glenn Kaufmann</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn Kaufmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 07:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Milligan,

Thanks so much for taking the time to read the blog, and especially for taking the time to contribute to the discussion (thanks for commenting).

It may well be that some part of my brain included those two because &#039;Five Things I Hate...&#039; sounds better than &quot;Three Things I Hate&#039;, but I don&#039;t think so.I included those two simply.

As my blog is aimed at discussing problems of modern immigration, I want to help people understand what challenges they&#039;ll face when relocating to a different country.  As small as they may seem, these are hurdles to be overcome. And, I have had numerous requests from new immigrants for more information about pet care resources.

As for the taps, aside from just being a cultural or convenience issue, it does speak to a basic hygiene plumbing issue.  Separate taps are unsanitary.  Basically if you have anything unclean on your hands, the only option is to either scald yourself in boiling water, or create a broth in the sink in which whatever that unclean/toxic material is the seasoning.  That&#039;s pretty gross in a Third World sort of way, could be easily fixed, and is completely unforgivable in a country that feels compelled to praise itself as the &#039;best small country&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milligan,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for taking the time to read the blog, and especially for taking the time to contribute to the discussion (thanks for commenting).</p>
<p>It may well be that some part of my brain included those two because &#8216;Five Things I Hate&#8230;&#8217; sounds better than &#8220;Three Things I Hate&#8217;, but I don&#8217;t think so.I included those two simply.</p>
<p>As my blog is aimed at discussing problems of modern immigration, I want to help people understand what challenges they&#8217;ll face when relocating to a different country.  As small as they may seem, these are hurdles to be overcome. And, I have had numerous requests from new immigrants for more information about pet care resources.</p>
<p>As for the taps, aside from just being a cultural or convenience issue, it does speak to a basic hygiene plumbing issue.  Separate taps are unsanitary.  Basically if you have anything unclean on your hands, the only option is to either scald yourself in boiling water, or create a broth in the sink in which whatever that unclean/toxic material is the seasoning.  That&#8217;s pretty gross in a Third World sort of way, could be easily fixed, and is completely unforgivable in a country that feels compelled to praise itself as the &#8216;best small country&#8217;.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milligan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 01:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really? Taps and cat litter? This is what constitutes a problem in your life? There are people out there with real problems who don&#039;t take to the internet to whine about them - write about something that matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? Taps and cat litter? This is what constitutes a problem in your life? There are people out there with real problems who don&#8217;t take to the internet to whine about them &#8211; write about something that matters.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ireland Works Well Enough &#8211; The Irish Tendency To Settle For Less Than the Best by Glenn Kaufmann</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn Kaufmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cornelius,

 While I have no earthly idea how one begins to quantify &quot;best country in the world&quot;, you may be right about the rest of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cornelius,</p>
<p> While I have no earthly idea how one begins to quantify &#8220;best country in the world&#8221;, you may be right about the rest of it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ireland Works Well Enough &#8211; The Irish Tendency To Settle For Less Than the Best by Cornelius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornelius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not sure that you have &#039;gotten&#039; Ireland and the Irish yet. Lonely Planet summed it up well in the guide to Ireland. The Irish complain about Ireland because they know its the best country in the world. My own impression from being a long term emigrant and pitching up to support the soccer team in all corners, is how easily the banter, singing and plain sociability binds everybody from prince to pauper in what is ultimately a celebration of Irishness. Last year in Poznan, the Polish people were simply taking pictures of the strange spectacle of thousands of green clad supporters invading their city with nothing more than good humour. Its the reason why the sons and daughters of Erin (like myself) hanker - and cherish what is more than a place but where people and nature often touch the soul.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure that you have &#8216;gotten&#8217; Ireland and the Irish yet. Lonely Planet summed it up well in the guide to Ireland. The Irish complain about Ireland because they know its the best country in the world. My own impression from being a long term emigrant and pitching up to support the soccer team in all corners, is how easily the banter, singing and plain sociability binds everybody from prince to pauper in what is ultimately a celebration of Irishness. Last year in Poznan, the Polish people were simply taking pictures of the strange spectacle of thousands of green clad supporters invading their city with nothing more than good humour. Its the reason why the sons and daughters of Erin (like myself) hanker &#8211; and cherish what is more than a place but where people and nature often touch the soul.</p>
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